[Felvtalk] Cole...

Thu Aug 18 15:08:27 CDT 2016

Karen....

I'm so sorry that you are having such bad luck with Cole.... I know it's 
heartbreaking.   Stanazole may hold the most promise ( per Amani's 
experiences) if you can get your hands on it in time ....   I'm a little 
surprised that the Cornell Vet made no mention of transfusion and 
recommended Cyproheptadine for appetite stim when the standard now ( as 
I understand it) is mirtazapine.....( at least according to my vet...who 
prescribed this over Cyp___  for my guy Yogi)....   Sometimes it gets 
wearying having to second guess Vets all the time with Felv+ Kitties.... 
there appears to BE no best practices when it comes to treating this 
disease.... Seems most vets treat the Sequelae and don't go after the 
disease process itself and even then.... they don't appear to be paying 
a lot of attention to anemia and the many other methods of raising RBC 
count...  In another 10 yrs I expect that STEM cell treatment will be 
the standard but our problems with our Buddies are happening NOW......  
I hope you pick up enough info here to help you now and in the 
future.....

Bob

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> From: Amani Oakley To: "felvtalk at felineleukemia.org" Subject: Re: 
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> Thank goodness that the word about Stanazolol is starting to get out 
> to these vets. This is very heartening to me.
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> Amani
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> From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-bounces at felineleukemia.org] On Behalf 
> Of Sherri Godschalk
> Sent: August-17-16 3:43 PM
> To: felvtalk at felineleukemia.org
> Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Sherries Vet
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> I replied incorrectly to your question on this thread. Bit of amateur. 
> I am in Fort Wayne, IN
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> On Wed, Aug 17, 2016 at 2:01 PM, ROBERT CHAPEL > wrote:
> Sherrie....
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> Where are you located??    We have been back and forth SO many times 
> here about how to get a vet to prescribe Stanazole and here your vet 
> prescribes it unbidden!!!!  At least for a Felv+ cat I'd stay with 
> this one for a while.... Really hope your Kitty responds..
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> From: Karen Harshbarger To: felvtalk Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Felvtalk 
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> Amani, I talked to a vet at Cornell U at their consult services today 
> for a second opinion since things are not going well for Cole.  He 
> throws up almost every night after eating just a little ( tonight he 
> threw up just in anticipated food-- no food-- because he is so 
> nausea).  He is going to starve to death with interferon and syringe 
> feeding that has turned into force feeding!
> Anyway Cornell U mentioned pednisone too but not winstrol
>   How did you learn of this and I assume it is available in US?  It 
> took my vet a week to get interferon (that I now read will cause 
> nausea, so now afraid to start it) , so afraid Cole dies nit have 
> another week to find winstrol!  Cornell U vet recommended  every other 
> day fluids, milk thistle and or denamarin to support liver, cerenia 
> injection to help with vomiting, cyproheptading to stimulate appetite. 
> And like i said earlier, prednisone.  Also, no supportive research but 
> go ahead and give interferon that my vet ordered cause some have 
> success with.  I would live ti see the rest of your posts but dont 
> know how to find.  I have to do something different tomorrow than just 
> force feed and orbax amd interferon or I am certain i will loose Cole 
> and then probably his 2 brothers will follow from the Stress Because 
> they are so extremely bonded.  Thanks Karen and Cole
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> From: Sandy To: felvtalk at felineleukemia.org
> Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Can't eat
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> thank you - can never get enough of a good information - especially 
> information with a good proven track record Sandy W ----- Original 
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> From: "Amani Oakley"  To: felvtalk at felineleukemia.org Sent: Wednesday, 
> August 17, 2016 10:27:59 PM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Can't eat
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> Karen
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> I am not going to repeat what many others have already read from me, 
> over and over again in this group.
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> If you haven?t seen my previous posts, and you want further 
> information, I shall do my best to dig up my previous posts and 
> re-post. However, the short answer from me is a recommendation to use 
> Winstrol (Stanazolol). It is an anabolic steroid, which your vet (a) 
> may never have heard of or (b) will give you a hard time about giving 
> it to you. Your vet needs to get it from a compounding pharmacy. I 
> suggest a dose of 2 mg a day for your cat because there are some very 
> concerning numbers in the lab results you posted, especially the very 
> very low platelet results, and low RBC and Haematocrit numbers. 
> Winstrol will directly help increase the red cell count and 
> haematocrit. It will also significantly increase appetite. It will 
> usually start having a positive effect very rapidly.
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> Don?t wait. Your vet will probably give you the run-around on getting 
> the Winstrol, and will likely suggest that Winstrol will worsen the 
> liver enzymes (which are already increased). However, any increase in 
> liver enzymes is likely to be temporary and they will drop back down 
> when the Winstrol is discontinued.
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> Sorry to everyone else for being a broken record.
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> Amani
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> From: Felvtalk [ mailto:felvtalk-bounces at felineleukemia.org ] On 
> Behalf Of Karen Harshbarger Sent: August-17-16 5:30 AM To: felvtalk 
> Subject: [Felvtalk] Can't eat
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> I come to you for suggestions for our Cole. We got Cole as a litter 
> rescue from our yard We feed the strays and a little very young mother 
> left them at our door We already had some house cats so built a kennel 
> to shelter them Outside and began To look for homes for them. Then two 
> litter kittens showed up and old tom. A no kill shelter took the 
> littler kittens. They found out one if them tested positive for feline 
> leukemia. We tested rest of ours and all but the one female tested 
> positive. So we cleaned out our garage, insulated, heated, air 
> conditioned and sheltered them there. No matter what we did little Tig 
> was so sick That he died before he was a yr old. He was such a sweet 
> little cat that considered everything and anyone a toy--so sad. The 
> rest tested negative the next two test. We all lived happily for next 
> 3 1/2 years. Until this week Cole stopped eating.
> Took him to vet and here is bad part. Tested positive for feline 
> leukemia again Bun10 (16-3( Alt 294(12-130) Alkp 144(14-111) Tbil 
> 4.2(0.0-0.9) Rbc 4.02 (8.54-12.20) Hct 21.1(30.3-52.3) Hgb 
> 6.8(9.8-16.2) Wbc 2.06(2.87-17.02 Neu 0.50(1.48-10.29) Lym 
> 0.74(0.92-6.88) Plt 39(151-600) Rest was in normal range The vet gave 
> Cole subcutaneous fluids, polyflex/dexasone injection, b complex 
> injection, and clavamox drops on last wednesday.
> But he cant eat and i am syringe feeding AD prscription Food. First 
> few days was able to get him to take 2 syringes but then threw up and 
> have not been able to get him past One syringe since then without him 
> throwing up. He threw up food three times and phlem or hair. He is 
> very alert, drinking, urinating 2-4 times a day, no BM until one 
> little turd today He bathes Self after he eats, shinny healthy looking 
> hair. Took Cole back today and vet did same as before but We changed 
> to Orbax instead of clavamox. I was very excited tonight cause he 
> attempted to eat But only licked gravy of purina Fancy feast., but was 
> start. Later this evening after syringe feed only 3 ml he threw up 
> what looked like two meals!! He seems to have a good day, but then has 
> setback with throwup--- three times he has done that . He has lost a 
> pound in 6 days!!. So worried cause he cant eat on own and keeps 
> throwing up.
> His brother Ash tested positive again too but his bloodwork is all in 
> normal range and seems ti be doing fine. His other brother BJ tested 
> negative and bloodwork all normal range. Vet suggested no treatment 
> for them. I housed them together and seperated Cole.
> I am so worried that we are going to loose Cole because he cant eat 
> and keeps throwing up syringed food. Also worried about Ash's positive 
> test for feline leukemia again. Sorry for lenght but thought you wpuld 
> need all info. Please advise as soon as possible. Thank you from Cole, 
> his family and I
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