[Felvtalk] OT; Panleuk/parvo/distemper was; Feline vaccines

[Amani Oakley]

Mmmm. Very interesting Margo. That makes sense to me now. I also think that the virus which attacks cat kidneys is what might have been responsible for the death of one of my babies a year ago. She went into the vets for a check up and came home with a serious UTI, as did a second cat I took in there. After I fought like crazy to overcome the illness with subcutaneous fluids, antibiotics, syringe feedings - the works - my smaller baby (Aphrodite) relapsed and this time her renal function tests (creatinine, urea) were quite elevated. We tried everything to bring down the creatinine levels, and were even considering dialysis, but she passed away.

Frustratingly, no one could adequately explain what had happened - even though we had been at the main vet speciality training and research facility in the area.

Amani

-----Original Message-----
From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-bounces at felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Margo
Sent: October-26-15 7:53 AM
To: felvtalk at felineleukemia.org
Subject: [Felvtalk] OT; Panleuk/parvo/distemper was; Feline vaccines



Kelley wrote; "My understanding of panleuk (distemper) and parvo are that they are 2 different things, that dog parvo may have mutated from panleuk but they are not the same.but I am not a vet so..."

Which is why I said "sort of".  Both Panleukopenia and Canine Parvo are parvoviridae. They are caused by different forms of parvovirus, and don't seem to cross species, but similar enough that the same test can be used to test for both.

Now I'm going to digress ;)

You've brought up another interesting and annoying bit of terminology ;) "Distemper" in dogs is caused by a paramyxovirus. "Distemper"  in cats is caused by a parvovirus.

There is a virus in the family paramyxovirus that affects cats, but it is thought to cause kidney problems, while the dog form is respiratory.

From Vetvine; "It is speculated that a feline nephrotropic virus, such as FmoPV, may trigger a ... Feline morbillivirus, a previously undescribed paramyxovirus ..."

It's really difficult to explain to some clients that no, your dog can't get "distemper" from your cat, or vice versa, but they can get similar diseases, which are in reality not at all the same thing.

Off soapbox...

Margo


    -----Original Message-----
    From: Kelley S
    Sent: Oct 26, 2015 1:20 AM
    To: felvtalk
    Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] FW: Feline vaccines was/: Stanozolol (Winstrol(R))

    My understanding of panleuk (distemper) and parvo are that they are 2 different things, that dog parvo may have mutated from panleuk but they are not the same.but I am not a vet so...

    On Sat, Oct 24, 2015 at 11:05 AM, Amani Oakley <aoakley at oakleylegal.com> wrote:

        No – it’s primarily for red cell production. It is used for this in humans too, with severe cases of genetically-caused anemia. I found it worked on all three cell lines though, but it was the RBC’s/haematocrit (PCV) values that bounced back first. I think that because it has stimulating effects on the bone marrow, this is why it eventually perks up production of white cells and platelets as well.

         

        As I mentioned in my summary of what happened to Zander, we first noticed that Winstrol was having a positive effect because his gums started to pink up.

         

        Amani

         

        From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-bounces at felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Maya D'Alessio
        Sent: October-24-15 7:36 AM
        To: Margo; felvtalk at felineleukemia.org
        Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Feline vaccines was/: Stanozolol (Winstrol(R))

         

        Question about the Winstrol - is it good for RBC too? or mostly just the WBC? Has anyone used it in concert with Epogen (Erythropoeitin)? Or used Epogen instead?

         

        I'm concerned about the paleness of Merlot's gums. He still has decent energy though.

         

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