[Felvtalk] FW: Stanozolol (Winstrol(R))

Fri Oct 23 20:33:04 CDT 2015

My FeLV cat, Ruthie, has nonregenerative anemia.  She was started on Epogen
2 weeks ago.  No improvement yet.  I mentioned Winstrol to our Vet.    She
didn't think it would be effective, and there is the concern for liver
problems.  But she said she would give it a try
if I wanted to.

Christine
On Oct 23, 2015 9:26 PM, "Kelley S" <moonvine at gmail.com> wrote:

> Parvo would be for dogs...cats cannot get parvo....I don't know of any
> vets who recommend FIV vaccinations...they do not work well and the cat
> will always test positive for FIV after...
>
> On Fri, Oct 23, 2015 at 6:50 PM, <dlgegg at windstream.net> wrote:
>
>> To prevent the disease, you need to treat it and vets do not seem to get
>> that.  Only by treating and learning about it can we prevent it.
>>
>> ---- Ardy Robertson <ardyr at centurytel.net> wrote:
>> > Thank you very much for this information Amani.
>> >
>> > Possibly another reason they don’t want to treat FeLV+ cats is that
>> they somehow feel “getting rid” of them is helping to not spread the
>> disease. My thought is that most spreading is probably done from mother cat
>> to baby, and of course in those rare homes that have very large numbers of
>> poorly-cared-for cats. They are not really trusting owners of FeLV+ cats to
>> be responsible enough to not allow it to spread. I have also now read that
>> cats that are over 11 months of age probably have enough of an immune
>> system to not get the disease even if they are near positive cats. Although
>> I would not take that chance and ever let them run outdoors or be around
>> other cats.
>> >
>> > Thanks,
>> >
>> > Ardy
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-bounces at felineleukemia.org] On Behalf
>> Of Amani Oakley
>> > Sent: Wednesday, October 21, 2015 11:03 PM
>> > To: felvtalk at felineleukemia.org
>> > Subject: [Felvtalk] FW: Stanozolol (Winstrol(R))
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > Arty, again, this is an email I tried to post early this morning, but
>> for some reason it didn’t go through to the Listserve, so I am reposting:
>> >
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>> >
>> > From: Amani Oakley
>> > Sent: October-21-15 11:51 AM
>> > To: 'felvtalk at felineleukemia.org'
>> > Subject: RE: [Felvtalk] Stanozolol (Winstrol(R))
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > Arty, the Winstrol is an anabolic steroid so it really just works by
>> bulking up the body, repairing damaged tissue, and also has a strong
>> ability to treat serious anemia by working directly on the red blood cell
>> producing cells in the bone marrow and erythropoietin production in the
>> kidneys. Erythropoietin is the substance that the body produces that tells
>> it to make more red cells.
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > It is NOT the same kind of steroid as prednisolone, etc., so it can be
>> used with other types of steroids, with pain meds and with antibiotics,
>> etc., without interfering with their activity.
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > My frustration comes from the fact that this drug was basically pulled
>> because it is associated with doping scandals in professional athletes
>> (they use it to become stronger and faster and to heal and recover from
>> workouts faster), so it became a drug whose name you can’t mention and is
>> tough to get sometimes. Also, there was a scientific study suggesting liver
>> damage with its use, but the rest of the scientific literature just doesn’t
>> seem to have borne this out and it certainly isn’t my experience. So here
>> we have this relatively inexpensive, fairly effective option, with little
>> downside risk, and quick effects usually, and the vets would rather tell us
>> there is no hope and to euthanize our cats, than suggest this medication.
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > I just don’t get it, and I have some very good friends who are high up
>> in the echelons of the vet community, so believe me when I tell you that I
>> have had this discussion on many occasions!
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > Amani
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-bounces at felineleukemia.org] On Behalf
>> Of Ardy Robertson
>> > Sent: October-20-15 11:10 PM
>> > To: felvtalk at felineleukemia.org <mailto:felvtalk at felineleukemia.org>
>> > Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Stanozolol (Winstrol(R))
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > Thank you so much Amani – it really sounds like you have done your
>> homework!! And that’s just it – this happened so fast and took us so
>> off-guard that I didn’t have any knowledge of what to do. We took him in on
>> a Sunday night, and after putting some “puzzle pieces” together, I think he
>> was getting sick for a while and I just did not pick up on it. We had been
>> gone for a couple days, then we had company at our house so he was kind of
>> out of sight and I figured he just didn’t like the people, when actually he
>> usually loves people. He had felt hot a couple of times, but both times he
>> was lying on a window sill with the sun shining directly on him. Our
>> regular vet was out so a different animal hospital was filling in. They
>> gave him fluids and antibiotics as well as pain liquid and sent us home. No
>> blood test.
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > The next day our regular vet did xrays and found an enlarged lymph node
>> somewhere near his tummy I think, so that’s why they did the blood work and
>> found the FeLV. They were also the ones that did the FeLV test 5 years
>> prior when we found him as a kitten. They changed to an antibiotic 10-day
>> shot for what they thought was a bite from another cat that we had taken in
>> (who tests negative). That cat was a very aggressive player and really made
>> Tigger nervous and stressed out so we don’t have her anymore.
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > I am going to read about Winstrol and also talk to both of our vet
>> offices about it. The reason I am using two vet offices is because our
>> regular one is 35 miles away and Tigger has needed to go in sometimes 5
>> times a week so we started taking him to one in our city that Tigger didn’t
>> like very much but now they have different vets and they seem nicer to him.
>> They have all apologized that they really don’t know much about treating
>> FeLV+ cats and also don’t know much about any of the medicines used. (I
>> would think they would want to read up on it now that they have a patient
>> needing treatment.) At any rate, I think if Tigger can make progress, not
>> only will we be thrilled, but it may change the outlook for other cats in
>> the future.
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > Is the Winstrol an immune-booster, or an anti-viral drug? I’m not even
>> sure how the Interferon works, or if it does? I asked our vet if Tigger
>> needs another blood test because I do not know where his blood counts are,
>> or if it is in his bone marrow. I think I now know some additional
>> questions I can be asking.
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > Thank you so much!
>> >
>> > Ardy Robertson
>> >
>> > Osseo, Wisconsin
>> >
>> >
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>> >
>> > From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-bounces at felineleukemia.org] On Behalf
>> Of Amani Oakley
>> > Sent: Tuesday, October 20, 2015 9:24 PM
>> > To: felvtalk at felineleukemia.org <mailto:felvtalk at felineleukemia.org>
>> > Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Stanozolol (Winstrol(R))
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > Ardy
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > If you do decide to try the Winstrol, get his blood checked before and
>> then after a few weeks on the Winstrol. If this works as well for you as it
>> did for me, you will want some solid proof to demonstrate its effect.
>> Hopefully, the vet will learn, as mine did since I got weekly blood work
>> when Zander was on Interferon, then LTCI and then Winstrol. The blood work
>> spoke for itself. Again, I have to say I have not seen anything else work
>> so well to increase weight, stamina and appetite than the Winstrol so see
>> if your vets will get it for you to try out.
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > Amani
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
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>> >
>> > From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-bounces at felineleukemia.org] On Behalf
>> Of Ardy Robertson
>> > Sent: October-20-15 10:13 PM
>> > To: felvtalk at felineleukemia.org <mailto:felvtalk at felineleukemia.org>
>> > Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Stanozolol (Winstrol(R))
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > Hello – can I chime in here a bit? My cat Tigger is on Interferon (7
>> days on then 7 days off and repeat) for FeLV. I think it might be helping
>> but his appetite is poor and I have to syringe feed him. Surprisingly a
>> very large syringe seems to work better than the small ones. I go slow to
>> make sure I don’t choke him and he might aspirate food into his lungs. For
>> his comfort (and mind) I fold a heavy bath towel in half and put it around
>> him the same way they do to us when we get our hair cut…then I clip it in
>> back with a large office binder-clip. He doesn’t feel like I am restraining
>> him and has actually gotten used to it, so less stress which is important
>> for FeLV+ cats. Also I do feed the critical care food thinned out a bit but
>> when he got constipated, my vet had me give him a couple tablespoons of
>> pure pumpkin (no spices) and it worked wonderfully. I know he needs
>> calories of good quality, but I think he also needs some carbs and bulk in
>> order to keep regular, so I mix some baby food chicken (the #1 kind for
>> little babies) and some rice baby cereal with some water. He does not seem
>> to mind it. I also give him some water. He has since started eating fairly
>> well, but still not drinking as much as he should. He is also on the
>> appetite stimulant you mentioned.
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > I had not heard about Winstrol before. The vets in my area have always
>> euthanized cats at the first mention of FeLV so treating Tigger is a big of
>> a learning experience for both of the offices that I take him to. I believe
>> taking him to both clinics is sort of giving him a second opinion and they
>> are both telling me they are learning about treating FeLV from him. Thank
>> you very much for allowing me to be a part of this group and learn.
>> >
>> > Ardy Robertson
>> >
>> >
>> >
>>
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