[Felvtalk] FW: FW: Stanozolol (Winstrol(R))

Fri Oct 23 02:10:36 CDT 2015

I hope no one in still giving combo vaccinations for FIV.  My understanding
is that the FIV vaccine (but not the FELV vaccine) will cause a cat to test
FIV+ for lifetime.  In the sad occasion kitty should get out and taken to a
shelter, he will test FIV+ and that is not a good thing for a cat in a
shelter.

On Fri, Oct 23, 2015 at 12:51 AM, Ardy Robertson <ardyr at centurytel.net>
wrote:

> So happy that the older cats did not get it - somewhere I read that after
> 11 months of age their immune system can usually fend it off.
>
> Another misconception that I had, when I took a stray cat in to be spayed
> and vaccinated, was that the "combo" vaccination they use for distemper,
> rabies, FIV and something else does not include a vaccination for FeLV. At
> that time, I had no idea that FIV and FeLV were two different things. (Of
> course I thought ONE distemper shot as  kitten was all you needed to give
> also.) But my point is -- it would be nice to have it all explained to you,
> and maybe some vet clinics do, but ours does not. Years ago I had an orange
> kitty named Scotchy that died right after being given a rabies vaccination
> too. They said it was rare.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-bounces at felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of
> Lee
> Sent: Friday, October 23, 2015 12:06 AM
> To: felvtalk at felineleukemia.org
> Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] FW: FW: Stanozolol (Winstrol(R))
>
> Not sure my emails are going through. However I have to tell everyone that
> FeLv is not the horridly contagious disease that most vets would have us
> believe. Three years ago to the month my little Honey Bunny passed away
> from an active and virulent case of feline leukemia. Before we could try
> much of anything her system shut down. My vet is not a specialist and his
> take on it was that once leukemia is active nothing much can be done.
>
> Bunny was s cat who had tested positive at first so I kept her isolated
> for a month in a separate room. She was under a year old at the time of
> rescue and first test. On retesting, she had turned negative. However, I
> isolated her for another month just to be sure. Still negative so I moved
> her in with Samson and Delilah who both share my bedroom. Exactly a year
> later when Bunny was two years old, I noticed she was not scarfing down
> food as she had been doing. She grew lethargic and disinterested in playing
> and being mischievous. In a matter of three weeks she went from healthy to
> dead. The misery was that both Samson and Delilah had been thoroughly
> exposed.
>
> There is somewhat of a happy side of this sad story. It has been three
> years since their exposure and I recently tested both cats. They are both
> negative. My vet told me that most healthy, non stressed, well fed cats can
> survive an exposure such as Sam and Dee had without catching the disease.
> The groups in most danger are cats under a year old, stressed feral cats
> who have not been fixed and elderly cats who are experiencing health issues.
>
> On Oct 22, 2015 11:07 PM, Amani Oakley <aoakley at oakleylegal.com> wrote:
> >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > You may be right Ardy, as to their motivation, but in my case, I was
> allowed to spend close to $10,000 when all treatments were tallied up, for
> worthless ineffective treatment, until I accidentally hit upon the
> Winstrol, with a cost of something like 50 cents per pill. Of course they
> were telling me the whole time to let him go, and that I needed to consider
> his “quality of life” (ie – I was being selfish and immoral), and it was
> only my insistence that I intended to try every feasible option to save my
> cat...
>
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-bounces at felineleukemia.org] On Behalf
> Of Ardy Robertson
> > > Sent: October-22-15 10:50 PM
> > > To: felvtalk at felineleukemia.org
> > > Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] FW: Stanozolol (Winstrol(R))
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Thank you very much for this information Amani.
> > >
> > > Possibly another reason they don’t want to treat FeLV+ cats is that
> they somehow feel “getting rid” of them is helping to not spread the
> disease. My thought is that most spreading is probably done from mother cat
> to baby, and of course in those rare homes that have very large numbers of
> poorly-cared-for cats. They are not really trusting owners of FeLV+ cats to
> be responsible enough to not allow it to spread. I have also now read that
> cats that are over 11 months of age probably have enough of an immune
> system to not get the disease even if they are near positive cats. Although
> I would not take that chance and ever let them run outdoors or be around
> other cats.
> > >
> > > Thanks,
> > >
> > > Ardy
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-bounces at felineleukemia.org] On Behalf
> Of Amani Oakley
> > > Sent: Wednesday, October 21, 2015 11:03 PM
> > > To: felvtalk at felineleukemia.org
> > > Subject: [Felvtalk] FW: Stanozolol (Winstrol(R))
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Arty, again, this is an email I tried to post early this morning, but
> for some reason it didn’t go through to the Listserve, so I am reposting:
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > From: Amani Oakley
> > > Sent: October-21-15 11:51 AM
> > > To: 'felvtalk at felineleukemia.org'
> > > Subject: RE: [Felvtalk] Stanozolol (Winstrol(R))
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Arty, the Winstrol is an anabolic steroid so it really just works by
> bulking up the body, repairing damaged tissue, and also has a strong
> ability to treat serious anemia by working directly on the red blood cell
> producing cells in the bone marrow and erythropoietin production in the
> kidneys. Erythropoietin is the substance that the body produces that tells
> it to make more red cells.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > It is NOT the same kind of steroid as prednisolone, etc., so it can be
> used with other types of steroids, with pain meds and with antibiotics,
> etc., without interfering with their activity.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > My frustration comes from the fact that this drug was basically pulled
> because it is associated with doping scandals in professional athletes
> (they use it to become stronger and faster and to heal and recover from
> workouts faster), so it became a drug whose name you can’t mention and is
> tough to get sometimes. Also, there was a scientific study suggesting liver
> damage with its use, but the rest of the scientific literature just doesn’t
> seem to have borne this out and it certainly isn’t my experience. So here
> we have this relatively inexpensive, fairly effective option, with little
> downside risk, and quick effects usually, and the vets would rather tell us
> there is no hope and to euthanize our cats, than suggest this medication.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > I just don’t get it, and I have some very good friends who are high up
> in the echelons of the vet community, so believe me when I tell you that I
> have had this discussion on many occasions!
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Amani
> > >
> > >
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