[Felvtalk] Stanozolol (Winstrol(R))

Wed Oct 21 09:34:05 CDT 2015

I got the vibe from the vet last night that we were going down hill, and I
had lost a lot of hope. I woke up to a much improved cat though! His
temperature is stable (still slightly high), he hasn't lost any weight, and
his purr is back to normal. He is definitely feeling better, but that
doesn't mean we are out of the woods. We just did a complete blood work;
liver function and all that stuff looks good (exception of high bilirubin,
but the vet wasn't concerned). He's peeing, and he even did a poop!
Unfortunately his WBC, neutrophils and lymphocytes are all very low.
Thankfully his RBC remains normal which is positive.

The vet is recommending doing AZT, this is a different vet than yesterday
and she seems more open to talknig about things. She seemed open to calling
Amani's vet to chat about Winstrol.

I'm still force feeding, and they want to stop the prednisolone to let his
WBC regenerate I think. I'm a bit nervous about stopping it. We are staying
on the doxy, with cevenia and mirtazipine.

Again, right now we mostly need to wait and re-check blood work in 48 hours.

On Wed, Oct 21, 2015 at 7:11 AM, Margo <toomanykitties2 at earthlink.net>
wrote:

>
>
> Hi Maya,
>
>              Any improvement is good news ! How bad is the anemia? What is
> his PCV/HCT? Is it regenerative or non-regenerative? There are medications
> that can help with that, which your Vet may be comfortable using. This
> discusses the use of erythropoietin in cats with kidney failure, but anemia
> is anemia.
>
> http://www.felinecrf.org/esas.htm
>
> There's also a great yahoo list. I don't know how active it is anymore,
> but the files might help;
>
> https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/Feline_Anemia/info
>
> I know it's frustrating not to be able to treat the FeLV itself, but we
> CAN manage/treat the symptoms.
>
> Best to Merlot, and you,
>
> Margo
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Maya D'Alessio
> Sent: Oct 20, 2015 8:12 PM
> To: felvtalk at felineleukemia.org
> Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Stanozolol (Winstrol(R))
>
> Good news; his temperature is down to a "high normal", bad news; he has an
> anemia murmur. The vet was not hearing me about Winstrol and he seemed in a
> bad mood. I'm hanging on to the decreased fever as a sign of good things.
> We will re-do blood work tomorrow and re-asses in the morning.
>
> On Tue, Oct 20, 2015 at 6:28 PM, Lance <linimon at fastmail.fm> wrote:
>
>> My FeLV+ girl Ember got five-on five-off interferon. I can’t remember if
>> it was 1ml or .5ml, but it wasn’t a large dose.
>>
>> I seem to remember a vet at a specialized clinic telling me that we
>> didn’t have to stagger it, but my “country vet” had prescribed it that way,
>> and we stuck to it.
>>
>> AZT can cause serious blood abnormalities in cats. I don’t think it’s
>> often used in treating FeLV because of that.
>>
>> Lance
>>
>> On Oct 20, 2015, at 3:49 PM, Maya D'Alessio <mdelow at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> You've been plenty helpful, thank you. What I need to figure out how to
>> do, is accept the situation and be less emotional about it, no matter which
>> way it goes, until the time comes. Right now I'm just so emotional, I keep
>> flip-flopping between optimistic and hopeless.
>>
>> Do you know with the interferon, what dose they are on? When you first
>> started did you start immediately with the one week on, one week off, or
>> was there a more intense initial period?
>>
>> On Tue, Oct 20, 2015 at 4:45 PM, Margo <toomanykitties2 at earthlink.net>
>> wrote:
>>
>>>
>>>
>>>    I remember researching AZT an deciding against it, but I don't recall
>>> why.  My two boys have been on interferon for years (low dose one week on,
>>> one week off) and I've never seen any adverse effects, but when they're
>>> sick, they seem to perk up during the "on" weeks. The anti-nausea was
>>> likely Cerenia, which is being recognized for it's anti-inflammatory
>>> properties, as well.
>>>
>>> He's improving. No need for any major decisions. That's really not a lot
>>> of drugs, all things considered :) It was two weeks until Gribs was eating
>>> normally, and seemed as if he might live. There really is no formula for
>>> mosr people. I always read "you'll know", but I'm not sure that's true.
>>> Sorry I can't be more help with that.
>>>
>>> Margo
>>>
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: Maya D'Alessio
>>> Sent: Oct 20, 2015 1:56 PM
>>> To: felvtalk at felineleukemia.org
>>> Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Stanozolol (Winstrol(R))
>>>
>>> Oh wow, yes I am in Waterloo. Can you send me your vet's information and
>>> I will pass it along to my vet immediately.
>>>
>>> He is mentioning AZT and interferon, but Merlot has a persistent fever
>>> and won't eat, I am assuming his body is not up to those drugs yet. He's
>>> currently on doxy, prednisolone and mirtazipine (appetite stimulant), and
>>> they gave him an antinauseant shot last night (cevinia I think).
>>>
>>> Question to the larger group; my cat is uncomfortable (although better
>>> than yesterday), I have to force feed him and he's on a ton of drugs. How
>>> long is this feasible? How long should I let it go if we don't see
>>> improvement? How do you make that call. With my last cat, she deteriorated
>>> so rapidly and it was so dire that it was a pretty straight forward call.
>>>
>>> On Tue, Oct 20, 2015 at 1:48 PM, Amani Oakley <aoakley at oakleylegal.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Maya,
>>>>
>>>> Seriously, I have to wonder about some vets. What is he offering you
>>>> that will help your cat??
>>>>
>>>> Anyhow, all I can say is I am happy I have a supportive vet. I will
>>>> send you some links to stuff about Winstrol, but it is hard to find since
>>>> the mind-set you have encountered already, is all too common, even when our
>>>> cats are dying and there are few realistic alternatives.
>>>>
>>>> Most of the links I will send to you will not speak to the use of
>>>> Winstrol specifically for FeLV, but speak to things like building up
>>>> strength and improving appetite.
>>>>
>>>> Here is the first - very generic.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> http://www.petplace.com/article/drug-library/library/prescription/stanozolol-winstrol
>>>>
>>>> Amani
>>>>
>>>> P.S. - I also noticed you are not far from me. My vet is in Etobicoke,
>>>> in the outskirts of Toronto. Perhaps your vet should call my vet?
>>>>
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>>>
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Biology GSA Vice Chair
GSA Director At-Large
University of Waterloo
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