[Felvtalk] Questions from a Newby

dlgegg at windstream.net dlgegg at windstream.net
Wed Nov 18 21:17:34 CST 2015


Unfortunetaly, that is sometimes how we learn, going through a crisis, we learn to trust our instincts and not modern medicine.  Zandor thought you so you could help others in the future.  In the meantime, you did all you could for him and gave him love.

---- Amani Oakley <aoakley at oakleylegal.com> wrote: 
> Hi Rain
> 
> I too tried the immunoregulin with my FeLV cat, but I was also doing weekly blood testing to monitor if there was truly any positive change in things like the red cell count, platelet count, white cell count and reticulocyte count, and I did not find any difference at all with the injections. I tried the injections for a number of months to ensure they had time to take effect, but I saw no evidence of a positive effect in my cat's haematology results. In fact, the opposite. We had obtained blood transfusions for our cat, because when he had his crisis, his red cell count, retic and haematocrit plummeted to critical levels. After the blood transfusions, we could tell that he wasn't producing his own red cells. (I just answered Jane in another email, so I won't go into all the detail again.)
> 
> If your cat is doing well, that's great. My only concern is that my Zander was also doing well until he had his life-threatening crisis and if I was able to do it all again, I would have started him on the Winstrol BEFORE the crisis (but I didn't know anything about it, and my vets didn't tell me). It is my personal theory that it was the crisis and the hell his body went through because of the crisis, that ultimately scarred his heart, causing his premature death at the age of 7. 
> 
> Winstrol is an anabolic steroid. Athletes use it for bulking up, but it has also been used in medicine for severely anemic patients because it boosts red cell production. It also boosts appetite and muscle production, so it has been used in AIDS patients, patients with COPD, patients with cachexia from cancer (wasting away), etc. Athletes report that it helps heal muscle damage faster, etc.
> 
> It is my belief that because of Winstrol's involvement in doping scandals, it has been blackballed by the scientific, medical and vet community. Vets say that they don't use it because it causes liver damage, but the research shows this not to be true (though it can cause a significant but temporary bump up in liver enzymes). However, I find that this answer makes no sense at all. If your cat is going to die from this insidious FeLV virus (especially one in crisis like what happened to my cat Zander) then it makes no sense AT ALL to worry about preserving his liver, don't you think?
> 
> I get a lot of cats who are on death's door, and the vets will often tell me that there is no hope. This is why I have tried Winstrol in a few different situations. If there is no hope, and my options are a quick euthanasia or a slow wasting away, what could possibly be the downside of trying the Winstrol? I figure that the worst case scenario is no effect at all. Instead, I am often stunned at the excellent results I am getting with seriously debilitated cats, when the vets have basically tried to pressure me to bring the cat in to be put down.
> 
> Amani
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-bounces at felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Rain Tyler
> Sent: November-18-15 8:10 PM
> To: felvtalk at felineleukemia.org
> Subject: [Felvtalk] Questions from a Newby
> 
> I am not familiar with Winstrol. Is it for anemia?  I feel like I have a lot to learn so I am glad I found this group.  
> 
> Background info:  about 18 months ago friends gave us a three day old tuxedo kitten that they found on a roadway.  After some initial difficulties, she thrived and became a beautiful healthy kitten.  We named her Penelope.    I never thought to have her tested for FeLV because I figured that if she had it then she contracted it in utero and I didn't think an infected kitten would thrive like she did.  But when she was spayed at 5 months we found out she was FeLV+.   A month later, a six week old orange tabby cat appeared by our mailbox.  We had him tested immediately and he was also FeLV+.  His name is Tarzan.   Our other cats are all negative and have all been vaccinated. 
> 
> At a Vet's suggestion we started a series of nine IV injections of ImmunoRegulin for both FeLV+ kittens according to the protocol.  We were hoping to boost their immune systems so that they could fight off the FeLV and possibly convert to negative.  During the early treatments Penelope had a bad respiratory infection and then a possible herpes infection.  I gave her L-lysine chews on a Vet's recommendation.  By the last IR injection, both cats seemed very healthy.  Tarzan tested negative but Penelope was still positive. So we tried once weekly ImmunoRegulin injections for twenty weeks. 
> 
>  Penelope was recently retested and is still positive. Since she has been perfectly healthy since last February, I've asked to continue the ImmunoRegulin on a once a month basis.   I really think that it has helped.  She is now 18 months old and is a pleasantly plump, active and happy cat.  I'd appreciate any suggestions on how to keep her that way.
> 
> Sorry this is so long and thanks to anyone who takes the time to read it and respond. 
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> > Hi Jane
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> > Speak with your vet. He probably uses a compounding pharmacy for other types of medication. This is where my vet gets Winstrol. Our vet can get the Winstrol in 2 strengths: 2 mg and 1 mg tablets. They are hard to cut in half, but for a long time, that is what I had to do since originally the compounding pharmacy only had the 2 mg size tablets. The tablets are very small and powdery when split, and dissolve very quickly with very little moisture. Therefore, it made life a lot easier when the compounding pharmacy started providing 1 mg sized tablets. If you can only get 2 mg tablets, you also have the option of just giving them once a day, but I think it is better to give 1 mg, 2 times a day.
> > 
> > I have no idea where you are located or how big the compounding pharmacy is that my vet uses, but it is called Chiron. (I?m in Ontario, Canada, and I think this compounding pharmacy is located close to Guelph Ontario, near the vet college there).
> > 
> > Definitely start your cat on the Winstrol as soon as possible. I have also found Winstrol helpful in a cat I highly suspected of having FIP. She is fine now.
> > 
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