[Felvtalk] Ember

[Katherine K.]

I totally understand. It's hard to see them in pain when we just want them
back to the way they use to be, happy and feeling fine. But we want to do
everything possible to give them a chance. I don't have the answers but
I've been there so I empathize with you. Weigh each option, think about how
you will feel afterward, and what is best for your Ember.

My vet was able to talk to the LTCI vet on the phone - maybe your vet could
too, if you're interested in learning more. I think his name is Joel
Ehrenzweig. I found that forum I mentioned in another message after all -
http://910pets.ning.com/forum/topics/feline-leukemia?x=1&id=2127871%3ATopic%3A17975&page=60.
It's not active, but if you post, some people will probably respond. It's
not cheap though - costs me about $50 per shot.


On Wed, May 28, 2014 at 4:35 PM, Lance <linimon at fastmail.fm> wrote:

> I’m doing a lot of wrestling with this. The only thing I’ll say about
> surgery is that it isn’t abdominal surgery or something unusually invasive.
> She’s already gotten a Convenia injection, and I believe they can also give
> Clavamox at the same time (or at least before and after surgery while at
> the clinic).
>
> The thing I’m wrestling with is that the dental procedure may give her
> some additional time, but how much? If I get LTCI here, would it help? No
> one could know.
>
> To be honest, part of this for me is about whether I’m feeling hopeful or
> pessimistic. When hopeful, I think the tooth extraction might allow her to
> get back to eating, and she could enjoy another month or two of good
> quality life. When I’m pessimistic (some might say realistic), then I feel
> like euthanasia as soon as possible might be the best. That guarantees no
> suffering on her part.
>
> This is the lowest Ember’s wbc has been that we know of, but she has
> pretty consistently been between 3.5 and 4.2 for as long as we’ve checked
> her. She occasionally shot up to 7.5 or so when dealing with an infection.
>
> On May 28, 2014, at 3:01 PM, Margo <toomanykitties2 at earthlink.net> wrote:
>
> >  I'm so sorry to hear this. The only thing I can think of is to just
> manage the pain, and try to get her thru this bad spot. I'd as for
> buprenorphine. I would not put her thru surgery with that count.  When
> Gribble was at his worst, his WBC was at 2.3, but we didn't continue to
> test it, so whether it went lower, I have no way of knowing.
> >
> > Wishing you both the very best,
> >
> > Margo
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> >> From: Lance <linimon at fastmail.fm>
> >> Sent: May 28, 2014 12:41 PM
> >> To: felvtalk at felineleukemia.org
> >> Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Ember
> >>
> >> It looks pretty bad. Her wbc has gone down to 2.2 from 3.0 last
> Thursday, which may mean crashing. Her HCT was the same as it was last
> week. The vet is consulting with the vet school to try to decide if surgery
> to extract the FORL is a good idea with the white count that low. If we
> don’t extract, I don’t know what else to do.
> >>
> >> On May 26, 2014, at 5:37 PM, Marsha <martia at lynxe.com> wrote:
> >>
> >>> FORLs (Feline Odontoclastic Resorptive Lesion) can be very painful.
>  Two things to try:  some fresh-picked tender shoots of lawn grass (not
> sprayed with ANYTHING), a finger of whipped cream cheese or other non-meat
> item that is soft.  These items aren't especially nutritious, but if it
> makes her happy...
> >>>
> >>> One odd thing I've noted with non-FeLV+ cats with a FORL, or that just
> had dental work, for some reason they want crunchy treats?! I wouldn't go
> with a hard treat like Greenies, but something a little less so, like
> Catnip Tempatations crunchies, or maybe a healthy type crunch treat from
> the vet.
> >>>
> >>> Marsha
> >>>
> >>> On 5/26/2014 5:03 PM, Lance wrote:
> >>>> We went to the vet last week, and Ember’s wbc was very low, even for
> her (3.0). I’ll talk to the vet about LTCI and ImmunoRegulin (I’ve done
> some research into wbc issues), but the main concern was that the vet found
> an odontoclastic resorptive lesion. The vet is fairly convinced that this
> is the cause of the decreased appetite, but Ember has also been wheezing
> and coughing a bit, and the vet thought hairballs might be to blame. I
> think she would like to see if Ember’s wbc doesn’t go back up (as it has in
> the past) before extracting the affected tooth.
> >>>>
> >>>> Ember seems remote and somewhat listless. She laid on my chest
> earlier and purred some, but again, due to my poor handling of our
> experiment in Nutrical, she’d now rather I jumped in a lake. I’ve tried
> pretty much everything including fresh roast beef, chicken white meat,
> various kinds of cat food, and several treats. She’s eaten very little
> today. I’ll almost certainly be taking her to the vet tomorrow unless
> something miraculously changes for the better in the next sixteen hours.
>  We’re going to pick up some baby food, but I’m open to other suggestions.
> >>>>
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