[Felvtalk] vaccinations

Shelley Theye veery at bellsouth.net
Fri Aug 15 08:38:08 CDT 2014 

Margo, 

I don't think there is a 3 year Purevax Rabies yet is there?
I thought I read somewhere that it might last longer than a year, which it is listed as now, but that 
they hadn't officially decided to call it a 3 year.  I would love to only have to think about this every 3 years!

Shelley


On Aug 14, 2014, at 3:06 PM, Margo <toomanykitties2 at earthlink.net> wrote:

>  
>  
> "Why do the rabies? I would do the fvrcp before the rabies and i won't so either one. If your cat is not outside at all, which especially with being positive i think not, and you don't have rabid animals around, again, probably not the case, why on earth would you give a rabies shot to a positive cat?  The law is ot going to be enforced in your home  it's not a big deal, but over vaccinating a positive cat is a big deal. They have that antibody problem of course and rabies vaccines are done to develop antibodies." 
> 
>                     First, because it is mandated by law. It is not likely that an indoor cat will be exposed to rabies, but it can happen.
> 
>                     Second because not being vaccinated puts the cat at risk should it somehow manage to bite or scratch someone. Much depends on local ordinances, but there can be severe consequences to having  an unvaccinated pet (to the pet) should the person injured decide to push. My positives are current at the moment, but when it comes time to re-vaccinate, I will request a waiver. BUT! That will not change the protocol should they be involved in an injury to a human. More likely I will find somewhere to get them the 3 year Purevax rabies.
> 
> Would you clarify your comment about an antibody problem? "They have that antibody problem of course and rabies vaccines are done to develop antibodies." 
> 
> I'm afraid I don't quite understand.
> 
> Thanks,
> 
> Mago
> 
>                     
> 
> 
> 
> -----Original Message----- 
> From: Kat Parker 
> Sent: Aug 14, 2014 1:22 PM 
> To: "felvtalk at felineleukemia.org" 
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> Why do the rabies? I would do the fvrcp before the rabies and i won't so
> either one. If your cat is not outside at all, which especially with being
> positive i think not, and you don't have rabid animals around, again,
> probably not the case, why on earth would you give a rabies shot to a
> positive cat? The law is ot going to be enforced in your home it's not a
> big deal, but over vaccinating a positive cat is a big deal. They have that
> antibody problem of course and rabies vaccines are done to develop
> antibodies.
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> > 1. Re: fvrcp vaccines- yes or no? (Shelley Theye)
> > 2. Re: New & have question (dlgegg at windstream.net )
> > 3. Re: FELV contagious (dlgegg at windstream.net )
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> > Message: 1
> > Date: Wed, 13 Aug 2014 13:44:06 -0400
> > From: Shelley Theye >
> > To: felvtalk at felineleukemia.org 
> > Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] fvrcp vaccines- yes or no?
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> > Hi Lance,
> >
> > I am not sure! I will ask her. She is pretty great. Didn't even
> > consider euth. when he tested positive. Went ahead and neutered Leo and
> > told me the news later that day.
> >
> > I just keep thinking about what the folks on this list said last year when
> > I asked, that their cats became sick after vaccinating.
> >
> > Thanks for letting me know that Ember did OK without vaccines at the vet
> > clinic. I don't know if they make a purevax FVRCP.
> >
> > We will do the Rabies, and vet said to wait at least 2 weeks between
> > vaccines if do the FVRCP. I thought that was good of her
> > to suggest too, because it is better not to do them all at once. I never
> > realized that until a few years ago.
> >
> > I'll let you all know if I find out anything on this, will probably just
> > do the rabies though for now.
> >
> > Shelley
> >
> >
> > On Aug 11, 2014, at 10:45 PM, Lance >
> > wrote:
> >
> > > I wish I had an answer for you. Would your vet be willing to log onto
> > Vetinfo to see what other vets are recommending for FeLV cats? I seem to
> > recall that Ember?s vet recommended that she be vaccinated, but we never
> > did that. Despite her low white count, she never picked anything up at the
> > vet?s office as far as I know. Even the dentals didn?t weaken her enough.
> > >
> > > If Purevax makes an FVRCP vaccine, that might be the better one to go
> > with. It is supposed to have less possibility of causing a fibrosarcoma (we
> > used to call them vax site sarcomas).
> > >
> > > Also, you?re not overthinking this. You?re being a good and protective
> > cat parent.
> > >
> > > Best wishes for you and Leo,
> > >
> > > Lance
> > >
> > > On Aug 11, 2014, at 8:47 AM, Shelley Theye 
> > > wrote:
> > >
> > >> Hi All,
> > >>
> > >> I asked last year when Leo was due for his yearly check-up, about how
> > everyone feels about vaccinating
> > >> their Leukemia pos. cats in general.
> > >>
> > >> The replies I received cautioned not to vaccinate for FVRCP, that is
> > caused cats to become ill afterwards.
> > >>
> > >> I have to get Leo vacc. for rabies since it is the law, will do the
> > Purevax like I did last year, but he
> > >> has only received one FVRCP vacc. back in summer 2012, when I first got
> > him and he was neutered and
> > >> I wasn't told about his FeLV status until afterwards. At the time I
> > thought he was a feral cat, he actually was,
> > >> but has since become quite tame.
> > >>
> > >> Last year, in 2013, I opted not to do the FVRCP, because of the
> > cautionary emails on the subject.
> > >> I guess my only worry is that he will be more susceptible in a vet
> > clinic when he goes in for a check up for
> > >> for treatment if he doesn't have that vaccine, so just would like to
> > throw this out there again for thoughts on
> > >> this subject. Also, is there a certain type of FVRCP that might be
> > less dangerous, etc?
> > >>
> > >> I have done some reading on Dr. Lisa Pierson's website, and sounds like
> > he should maybe have at least 2 vaccines
> > >> as an adult and then can stop. Am I overthinking this?
> > >>
> > >> Thanks for any advice. So far, knock on wood, he is doing great,
> > though he is lonely, but I think since he was initially
> > >> semi-feral, the quiet lifestyle suits him. we built him a nice mini
> > screened porch/large window box which he really enjoys
> > >> and spend time with him daily.
> > >>
> > >> Best,
> > >> Shelley
> > >>
> > >>
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> > Message: 2
> > Date: Wed, 13 Aug 2014 16:52:09 -0500
> > From: >
> > To: felvtalk at felineleukemia.org 
> > Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] New & have question
> > Message-ID: <20140813175209.WYRYT.48742.root at pamxwww05-z01>
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> > i HAVE STARTED OIL PULLING FOR MYSELF WITH COCONUT OIL. IT IS A GOOD
> > ANTIBACTERIAL, ETC. AND MIGHT HELP YOUR CAT. I USE A TABLESPOON EACH DAY,
> > IT TASTES GOOD AND MY HARLEY ALWAYS WANTS TO LICK MY FINGERS AFTERWARDS.
> > (I JUST SCOOP A FINGER FULL (ABOUT 1 TABLESPOON) AND PUT IT IN MY MOUTH.)
> > ---- Lance > wrote:
> > > I don?t know of any supplements that are specifically geared toward oral
> > health. Someone else may have some helpful info. I know that CET makes pet
> > dental products, including a water additive. Googling for them should bring
> > up their site. I believe they?re owned by Virbac.
> > >
> > > After she tested positive, I gave my FeLV+ girl interferon alpha and DMG
> > (both are general immune system boosters) for most of her life. I often
> > gave her Prescription Diet t/d as a ?treat?. We rarely had any gum or teeth
> > issues, though she did need several cleanings. The t/d would not be good
> > for a kitty already dealing with any mouth pain.
> > >
> > > Best wishes for you and the calico kitten,
> > >
> > > Lance
> > >
> > > On Aug 11, 2014, at 9:06 PM, Susan Grimes 
> > > wrote:
> > >
> > > > Hi everyone,
> > > > I have a 4 month old calico that just retested for a FIV+ original
> > test and this week she tested FIV- and FeLV+. I have 7 other cats and have
> > done rescue/foster work the last 3 yrs. We are waiting on IFA results now.
> > I was reading the archives and read something about supplements to promote
> > oral health/for stomatitis (?) now I can't seem to find that post. Can
> > someone help me with that info? Am waiting on labs now to decide on course
> > of treatment. Currently on Immunostim drops and Lysine treats.
> > > > Thanks, Susan
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> > Date: Wed, 13 Aug 2014 16:53:35 -0500
> > From: >
> > To: felvtalk at felineleukemia.org 
> > Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] FELV contagious
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> > THAT IS THE ONLY VACCINE I GET NOW AND I MAY STOP IT SINCE MY PRIDE DOES
> > NOT GET INTO BITING FIGHTS, JUST SNARLING AND HISSING AND SWATTING.
> > ---- "Katherine K." > wrote:
> > > Hi Maya,
> > >
> > > I have 2 cats who have lived together for a long time. I found out one
> > was
> > > positive. The other tested negative, so I had her vaccinated against
> > FeLV.
> > > But, they had already been in very close contact for a long time. If you
> > do
> > > decide to bring in a negative cat, definitely make sure he/she is
> > > vaccinated against FeLV. It is not a fool proof vaccine but it helps.
> > >
> > > However, perhaps you could find another FeLV+ friend for Merlot. You
> > could
> > > alert volunteers and staff at your local shelters and rescues to contact
> > > you before euthanizing if one of their strays tests positive for FeLV or
> > if
> > > they hear of any positive cats. Or keep an eye on local rescue websites.
> > We
> > > have one in the U.S. called Craigslist where people are always dumping or
> > > rehoming their pets.
> > >
> > > I personally wouldn't want to introduce a healthy cat to my positive cat.
> > > But that's an interesting perspective about saving one from death row,
> > and
> > > certainly something to consider. And I know others on the list have done
> > > it, without many issues. Hopefully you can find a positive friend for
> > > Merlot. I do hate to think of him being lonely! <3
> > >
> > > Katherine
> > >
> > >
> > > On Mon, Aug 11, 2014 at 5:24 PM, Maya D'Alessio 
> > > wrote:
> > >
> > > > So, my one cat Merlot is clearly lonely. He is used to being second in
> > > > command to our cat Yang who passed away.
> > > >
> > > > I work with a cat rescue, and the cats there all live communally until
> > > > they are adopted (with a quarantine area for cats on meds/who are
> > really
> > > > sick). She thinks that there isn't much of a problem with bringing
> > another
> > > > cat in to the house, as long as the other cat is not immune
> > compromised,
> > > > etc. This contrasts with what my vet says - no other cat contact.
> > > >
> > > > I'm not sure who to believe here. Obviously FELV is contagious, and
> > it is
> > > > passed from cat to cat. The chance of that increases with increased
> > > > contact, but the lady made it seem that for the 20 years she's been
> > running
> > > > the place she has only had a handful of FELV+ cats, none of them died
> > from
> > > > it, and she had a 19 year old cat who had lived with all of them test
> > > > negative for FELV recently. I can't imagine being responsible for
> > exposing
> > > > another cat to the virus and getting them sick, but I also feel bad for
> > > > Merlot who is lonely. I was thining maybe I would consider (in six
> > months
> > > > or so), trying to take in a cat who was not going to find another home.
> > > > ie. an older cat, or a cat from a society that they were about to put
> > down.
> > > >
> > > > What do you guys think / what has your vet said to you about this?
> > > >
> > > > --
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