[Felvtalk] Felvtalk Digest, Vol 5, Issue 6

Kat Parker korruptakitty at gmail.com
Thu Aug 14 23:14:22 CDT 2014


Okay, no need to shout lol   Personally, if my vet wouldn't treat my
positive "unvaxxed for rabies" cat, I'd find a different vet. But, vet
issue aside, i totally understand her stance since the bat but her cat.
Totally.

On Thursday, August 14, 2014, <dlgegg at windstream.net> wrote:

> SOME VETS WILL NOT TREAT AN UNVACCINATED CAT, POS OR NOT.
>
> ---- Kat Parker <korruptakitty at gmail.com <javascript:;>> wrote:
> > Why do the rabies? I would do the fvrcp before the rabies and i won't so
> > either one. If your cat is not outside at all, which especially with
> being
> > positive i think not, and you don't have rabid animals around, again,
> > probably not the case, why on earth would you give a rabies shot to a
> > positive cat?  The law is ot going to be enforced in your home  it's not
> a
> > big deal, but over vaccinating a positive cat is a big deal. They have
> that
> > antibody problem of course and rabies vaccines are done to develop
> > antibodies.
> >
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> > >    1. Re: fvrcp vaccines- yes or no? (Shelley Theye)
> > >    2. Re: New & have question (dlgegg at windstream.net <javascript:;>
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> > >    3. Re: FELV contagious (dlgegg at windstream.net <javascript:;>
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> > > Message: 1
> > > Date: Wed, 13 Aug 2014 13:44:06 -0400
> > > From: Shelley Theye <veery at bellsouth.net <javascript:;>
> <javascript:;>>
> > > To: felvtalk at felineleukemia.org <javascript:;> <javascript:;>
> > > Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] fvrcp vaccines- yes or no?
> > > Message-ID: <79D7A665-5346-488D-90A8-62C6C5664C2F at bellsouth.net
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> > > Hi Lance,
> > >
> > > I am not sure!  I will ask her.  She is pretty great.  Didn't even
> > > consider euth. when he tested positive.  Went ahead and neutered Leo
> and
> > > told me the news later that day.
> > >
> > > I just keep thinking about what the folks on this list said last year
> when
> > > I asked, that their cats became sick after vaccinating.
> > >
> > > Thanks for letting me know that Ember did OK without vaccines at the
> vet
> > > clinic.  I don't know if they make a purevax FVRCP.
> > >
> > > We will do the Rabies, and vet said to wait at least 2 weeks between
> > > vaccines if do the FVRCP.  I thought that was good of her
> > > to suggest too, because it is better not to do them all at once.  I
> never
> > > realized that until a few years ago.
> > >
> > > I'll let you all know if I find out anything on this,  will probably
> just
> > > do the rabies though for now.
> > >
> > > Shelley
> > >
> > >
> > > On Aug 11, 2014, at 10:45 PM, Lance <linimon at fastmail.fm
> <javascript:;> <javascript:;>>
> > > wrote:
> > >
> > > > I wish I had an answer for you. Would your vet be willing to log onto
> > > Vetinfo to see what other vets are recommending for FeLV cats? I seem
> to
> > > recall that Ember?s vet recommended that she be vaccinated, but we
> never
> > > did that. Despite her low white count, she never picked anything up at
> the
> > > vet?s office as far as I know. Even the dentals didn?t weaken her
> enough.
> > > >
> > > > If Purevax makes an FVRCP vaccine, that might be the better one to go
> > > with. It is supposed to have less possibility of causing a
> fibrosarcoma (we
> > > used to call them vax site sarcomas).
> > > >
> > > > Also, you?re not overthinking this. You?re being a good and
> protective
> > > cat parent.
> > > >
> > > > Best wishes for you and Leo,
> > > >
> > > > Lance
> > > >
> > > > On Aug 11, 2014, at 8:47 AM, Shelley Theye <veery at bellsouth.net
> <javascript:;>
> > > <javascript:;>> wrote:
> > > >
> > > >> Hi All,
> > > >>
> > > >> I asked last year when Leo was due for his yearly check-up, about
> how
> > > everyone feels about vaccinating
> > > >> their Leukemia pos. cats in general.
> > > >>
> > > >> The replies I received cautioned not to vaccinate for FVRCP, that is
> > > caused cats to become ill afterwards.
> > > >>
> > > >> I have to get Leo vacc. for rabies since it is the law, will do the
> > > Purevax like I did last year, but he
> > > >> has only received one FVRCP vacc. back in summer 2012, when I first
> got
> > > him and he was neutered and
> > > >> I wasn't told about his FeLV status until afterwards.  At the time I
> > > thought he was a feral cat, he actually was,
> > > >> but has since become quite tame.
> > > >>
> > > >> Last year, in 2013, I opted not to do the FVRCP, because of the
> > > cautionary emails on the subject.
> > > >> I guess my only worry is that he will be more susceptible in a vet
> > > clinic when he goes in for a check up for
> > > >> for treatment if he doesn't have that vaccine, so just would like to
> > > throw this out there again for thoughts on
> > > >> this subject.  Also, is there a certain type of FVRCP that might be
> > > less dangerous, etc?
> > > >>
> > > >> I have done some reading on Dr. Lisa Pierson's website, and sounds
> like
> > > he should maybe have at least 2 vaccines
> > > >> as an adult and then can stop.  Am I overthinking this?
> > > >>
> > > >> Thanks for any advice.  So far, knock on wood, he is doing great,
> > > though he is lonely, but I think since he was initially
> > > >> semi-feral, the quiet lifestyle suits him.  we built him a nice mini
> > > screened porch/large window box which he really enjoys
> > > >> and spend time with him daily.
> > > >>
> > > >> Best,
> > > >> Shelley
> > > >>
> > > >>
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> > > Message: 2
> > > Date: Wed, 13 Aug 2014 16:52:09 -0500
> > > From: <dlgegg at windstream.net <javascript:;> <javascript:;>>
> > > To: felvtalk at felineleukemia.org <javascript:;> <javascript:;>
> > > Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] New & have question
> > > Message-ID: <20140813175209.WYRYT.48742.root at pamxwww05-z01>
> > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8
> > >
> > > i HAVE STARTED OIL PULLING FOR MYSELF WITH COCONUT OIL.  IT IS A GOOD
> > > ANTIBACTERIAL, ETC. AND MIGHT HELP YOUR CAT.  I USE A TABLESPOON EACH
> DAY,
> > >  IT TASTES GOOD AND MY HARLEY ALWAYS WANTS TO LICK MY FINGERS
> AFTERWARDS.
> > >  (I JUST SCOOP A FINGER FULL (ABOUT 1 TABLESPOON) AND PUT IT IN MY
> MOUTH.)
> > > ---- Lance <linimon at fastmail.fm <javascript:;> <javascript:;>> wrote:
> > > > I don?t know of any supplements that are specifically geared toward
> oral
> > > health. Someone else may have some helpful info. I know that CET makes
> pet
> > > dental products, including a water additive. Googling for them should
> bring
> > > up their site. I believe they?re owned by Virbac.
> > > >
> > > > After she tested positive, I gave my FeLV+ girl interferon alpha and
> DMG
> > > (both are general immune system boosters) for most of her life. I often
> > > gave her Prescription Diet t/d as a ?treat?. We rarely had any gum or
> teeth
> > > issues, though she did need several cleanings. The t/d would not be
> good
> > > for a kitty already dealing with any mouth pain.
> > > >
> > > > Best wishes for you and the calico kitten,
> > > >
> > > > Lance
> > > >
> > > > On Aug 11, 2014, at 9:06 PM, Susan Grimes <sweet2bcotasue at att.net
> <javascript:;>
> > > <javascript:;>> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > Hi everyone,
> > > > > I have a 4 month old calico that just retested for a FIV+ original
> > > test and this week she tested FIV- and FeLV+.  I have 7 other cats and
> have
> > > done rescue/foster work the last 3 yrs.  We are waiting on IFA results
> now.
> > >  I was reading the archives and read something about supplements to
> promote
> > > oral health/for stomatitis (?) now I can't seem to find that post.  Can
> > > someone help me with that info?  Am waiting on labs now to decide on
> course
> > > of treatment.  Currently on Immunostim drops and Lysine treats.
> > > > > Thanks, Susan
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> > > ------------------------------
> > >
> > > Message: 3
> > > Date: Wed, 13 Aug 2014 16:53:35 -0500
> > > From: <dlgegg at windstream.net <javascript:;> <javascript:;>>
> > > To: felvtalk at felineleukemia.org <javascript:;> <javascript:;>
> > > Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] FELV contagious
> > > Message-ID: <20140813175335.NI5VP.48748.root at pamxwww05-z01>
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> > >
> > > THAT IS THE ONLY VACCINE I GET NOW AND I MAY STOP IT SINCE MY PRIDE
> DOES
> > > NOT GET INTO BITING FIGHTS, JUST SNARLING AND HISSING AND SWATTING.
> > > ---- "Katherine K." <kathstix at gmail.com <javascript:;>
> <javascript:;>> wrote:
> > > > Hi Maya,
> > > >
> > > > I have 2 cats who have lived together for a long time. I found out
> one
> > > was
> > > > positive. The other tested negative, so I had her vaccinated against
> > > FeLV.
> > > > But, they had already been in very close contact for a long time. If
> you
> > > do
> > > > decide to bring in a negative cat, definitely make sure he/she is
> > > > vaccinated against FeLV. It is not a fool proof vaccine but it helps.
> > > >
> > > > However, perhaps you could find another FeLV+ friend for Merlot. You
> > > could
> > > > alert volunteers and staff at your local shelters and rescues to
> contact
> > > > you before euthanizing if one of their strays tests positive for
> FeLV or
> > > if
> > > > they hear of any positive cats. Or keep an eye on local rescue
> websites.
> > > We
> > > > have one in the U.S. called Craigslist where people are always
> dumping or
> > > > rehoming their pets.
> > > >
> > > > I personally wouldn't want to introduce a healthy cat to my positive
> cat.
> > > > But that's an interesting perspective about saving one from death
> row,
> > > and
> > > > certainly something to consider. And I know others on the list have
> done
> > > > it, without many issues. Hopefully you can find a positive friend for
> > > > Merlot. I do hate to think of him being lonely! <3
> > > >
> > > > Katherine
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > On Mon, Aug 11, 2014 at 5:24 PM, Maya D'Alessio <mdelow at gmail.com
> <javascript:;>
> > > <javascript:;>> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > So, my one cat Merlot is clearly lonely.  He is used to being
> second in
> > > > > command to our cat Yang who passed away.
> > > > >
> > > > > I work with a cat rescue, and the cats there all live communally
> until
> > > > > they are adopted (with a quarantine area for cats on meds/who are
> > > really
> > > > > sick).  She thinks that there isn't much of a problem with bringing
> > > another
> > > > > cat in to the house, as long as the other cat is not immune
> > > compromised,
> > > > > etc.  This contrasts with what my vet says - no other cat contact.
> > > > >
> > > > > I'm not sure who to believe here.  Obviously FELV is contagious,
> and
> > > it is
> > > > > passed from cat to cat.  The chance of that increases with
> increased
> > > > > contact, but the lady made it seem that for the 20 years she's been
> > > running
> > > > > the place she has only had a handful of FELV+ cats, none of them
> died
> > > from
> > > > > it, and she had a 19 year old cat who had lived with all of them
> test
> > > > > negative for FELV recently.  I can't imagine being responsible for
> > > exposing
> > > > > another cat to the virus and getting them sick, but I also feel
> bad for
> > > > > Merlot who is lonely.  I was thining maybe I would consider (in six
> > > months
> > > > > or so), trying to take in a cat who was not going to find another
> home.
> > > > >  ie. an older cat, or a cat from a society that they were about to
> put
> > > down.
> > > > >
> > > > > What do you guys think / what has your vet said to you about this?
> > > > >
> > > > > --
> > > > > Maya D'Alessio
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> > > End of Felvtalk Digest, Vol 5, Issue 6
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> >
> >
> >
> >
> > *Love and Katnip,                             ~Kat~     =^,,^= **"I'm Kat
> > Parker.  I park cats."*
> > *   "Spay & neuter your neighbors...  maybe THAT will fix the problem."*
> > *"Keep your kitties INSIDE, 24/7, 'cause an inside cat is a SAFE & HAPPY
> > cat!"*
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*   "Spay & neuter your neighbors...  maybe THAT will fix the problem."*
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