[Felvtalk] Fwd: TNR

Sun Mar 11 14:52:18 CDT 2012

Or even an uncovered one.  They are big enough for my guys and they  
are young enough to jump in.  I learned about them when I was dealing  
with a 19 year old marvelous feral who moved in with me (trust me, I  
wasn't into cats but he changed that big time).  I would never buy one  
of those tiny litter boxes for my boys.
On Mar 11, 2012, at 8:39 AM, GRAS wrote:

> A friend also used those wooden garbage bin holders that open from the
> front....she cut openings for entry, put in a shelf for more  
> sleeping space,
> filled with hay or straw, or even smaller individual Styrofoam  
> cubicles
> without lids, and it housed about 10 or more cats.
> BTW - Rubbermaids also make great covered litter boxes for multiple  
> cats.
> Cut an appropriate opening in front, depending on cats' needs (low  
> or higher
> threshold), and presto, litter box with a lid!  Natalie
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: felvtalk-bounces at felineleukemia.org
> [mailto:felvtalk-bounces at felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of MaiMaiPG
> Sent: Sunday, March 11, 2012 9:11 AM
> To: felvtalk at felineleukemia.org
> Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Fwd: TNR
>
> Plastic rubbermaid totes will help too.  If you cut a hole toward  
> the end on
> one of the long sides and leave the lid on top, you can stuff it  
> with a
> little hay or pine needles (no cloth please, it holds water).   
> Cutting the
> hole this way lets them get further out of the weather and feels  
> safer than
> putting it in the middle or on a short side.  The top acts as a roof,
> repelling water and wind and makes it easier to tend to the box.  I  
> like to
> put a little Sevin in for fleas during the season.
> On Mar 11, 2012, at 12:03 AM, <dlgegg at windstream.net> <dlgegg at windstream.net
>> wrote:
>
>> If the caregivers provide protection for them, even a styrofoam  
>> cooler
>> wll protect frm rain, snow and with a bit of straw, they can be warm.
>>
>> ---- GRAS <gras at optonline.net> wrote:
>>> At least the cat colonies don't have to freeze in the winter in FL
>>> like they do elsewhere.
>>>
>>> Most TNR groups that I know of in this area don't tests at all.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> From: felvtalk-bounces at felineleukemia.org
>>> [mailto:felvtalk-bounces at felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Heather
>>> Sent: Thursday, March 08, 2012 1:27 PM
>>> To: felvtalk at felineleukemia.org
>>> Subject: [Felvtalk] Fwd: TNR
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
>>> From: Heather <furrygirly at gmail.com>
>>> Date: Thu, Mar 8, 2012 at 1:23 PM
>>> Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] TNR
>>> To: felvtalk at felineleukemia.org
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Definitely not to argue, but to provide some perspective on high
>>> volume TNR and the ACA (and Neighborhood Cats) stance on routine
>>> testing of TNR ferals...
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> While millions of cats are of course killed in shelters each year
>>> nationally, the free roaming cat population on the streets may
>>> differ vastly
>>> geographically.  In my city (Tampa), there are hundreds of
>>> thousands of
>>> feral cats.   There are several of us constantly practicing TNR on
>>> the
>>> "population at large" (or colonies where the feeders are not
>>> fixing--a huge
>>> sore spot with us, too), meaning trapping pretty much every week,
>>> sometimes
>>> more than once a week, cats who are not at our own colonies.  Some
>>> of my
>>> friends trap anywhere from 10 - 50 cats per week for TNR (and of
>>> course
>>> kittens and such are rescued as much as space/socialization/fosters
>>> permit,
>>> sick cats treated, etc.)  Routine TNR's--not being rescued for
>>> adoption or
>>> not being addressed/treated for illness are not tested.   If we
>>> tested every
>>> cat, we could only spay/neuter/vaccinate a fraction of the cats.
>>> There
>>> would be far more (exponentially, we all know how cats can
>>> reproduce--here
>>> it's hot and a mama will have 3 litters a year) cats breeding,
>>> spreading
>>> illness.  There would be more negative AND more positive cats, and
>>> therefore
>>> since unfixed, also more positive (and negative) kittens being born
>>> on the
>>> streets.   In our city, we are serving the greater good by fixing
>>> as many as
>>> possible.   Since we all also do a lot of rescue, pulling
>>> friendlies/dumped
>>> cats, or cats to be treated for illness, from colonies, I can say
>>> we run
>>> into FELV fairly seldomly.  Despite my own very high # of colonies,
>>> in
>>> addition to helping people rescue and fix cats all over, I have run
>>> into
>>> FELV the most of anyone I know and it's really just been in two
>>> areas, close
>>> in proximity, where the feeders are NOT fixing the cats.  Disease
>>> definititely seems to proliferate where the cats are unsterilized,
>>> though of
>>> course I realize it spreads in other ways besides reproducing.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> As TNR has steadily increased in our county, the # of cats
>>> euthanized at our
>>> county AS has steadily declined--I can share a graph if anyone is
>>> interested, the results are absolutely amazing and pretty much in
>>> direct
>>> proportion in terms of euth decrease/TNR increase.   Several years
>>> ago
>>> 16K-18K cats were killed per year at this county shelter; now it is
>>> down to
>>> around 9K.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Even our own local Humane Society--which has the most awesome s/n/ 
>>> TNR
>>> clinic, but was very firm on testing for years, finally conceded
>>> with the
>>> ACA/Neighborhood Cats stance that, on routine TNR's not showing
>>> signs of
>>> illness, the resources are best spent in sterilizing more cats than
>>> on
>>> testing.  They do sometimes call us while assessing/operating and
>>> say they
>>> feel a particular cat needs to be tested.  They are elated by the
>>> decrease
>>> in shelter euthanasia as well.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> I have no qualms returning an FIV+ cat to a safe area with a good
>>> caretaker,
>>> I had one FIV+ female who lived to be 14 outside until we brought
>>> her in to
>>> live her last 9 months due to geriatric issues.  Granted, this was
>>> on a
>>> university campus where we often have cats live to be over 10 years
>>> old
>>> (just a little different environment from the true streets such as
>>> fast food
>>> joints, etc.).
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> I hope me providing this perspective isn't resented--again, it's not
>>> intended to argue, just some comments to explain why many embrace
>>> the ACA
>>> perspective on not testing routine TNR's
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Of course everyone is entitled to their own opinion and best
>>> practices for
>>> what they are doing.  The overpopulation problem in Florida is
>>> insane, that
>>> is one thing that goes without saying.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Thanks everyone for caring about cats!
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Heather
>>>
>>> On Thu, Mar 8, 2012 at 12:26 PM, Beth <create_me_new at yahoo.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>> I agree, FeLV should be put down or homed. I have returned FIV cats
>>>
>>> Unfortunately, Alley Cat Allies thinks they all should be returned
>>> & not
>>> even tested. The place I have gotten ferals fixed believes this &
>>> refuses to
>>> test ferals.
>>>
>>> Crazy.
>>>
>>>
>>>
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