[Felvtalk] Fletch

Tad Burnett tadburnett at vermontel.net
Wed Sep 7 12:46:36 CDT 2011 

Joel because this product, the cocktail, is going to be patented (I am 
assuming) the dental vet will not disclose exactly what is in it but 
gives generic information. It is supposed to have vitamins, a low dose 
antibiotic, a probiotic, an acid reducer like a prilosec or something 
similar, and an immune modulator and not sure what else. I will give you 
the name and number of the place. The medication is given by 1cc daily 
by mouth and contains no steroids. Daphne has been off of steroids and 
his last dose was Depomedrol 20mg on 7/11/11. He was diagnosed with 
diabetes due to the steroids but has since returned to normal. This 
cocktail is ok for diabetic kitties too.

The dental veterenary (sp) clinic is located at 12600 Coit Road in 
Dallas, Texas 75251 with a telephone number of 972-385-8400. How we came 
about this my vet called someone about using or trying naltrexone by 
mouth for the stomatitis. They recommended trying the cocktail which was 
made up by a doctoral student. The cost of the medication is around 
$50/month but the labs that must be monitored is what gets kind of 
expensive. Need original labs with C
BC etc and for me was about $85 or so. Then after treatment begins labs 
are checked at 2 weeks, 4 weeks, 8 weeks, then a few months etc. FIV 
kitties get a lower dose. As far as I know it is just called the Dental 
Veterinarian clinic.

Ok I just found what the stuff is called right now. It is called LPS 
JS-827 Syrup and it states services were by Deb Schaffer.

Hope this can help someone!!











On 9/7/2011 1:37 PM, Tad Burnett wrote:
> [Attachment(s) from Ben Lehrer included below]
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> I've got an FIV+ cat (Pasha) on the cocktail and can answer this.
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> The stomatitis cocktail was developed by the late Dr. Bob Wiggs at his 
> clinic (Dallas Animal Dental) in Dallas.  The actual mix of 
> ingredients is proprietary so nobody other than its makers actually 
> know its components and their proportions, but it is basically a 
> holistic mix of non-steroidal, non-controlled substances.  I first 
> heard about it from a Yahoo Group dedicated to feline stomatitis 
> (http://pets.groups.yahoo.com/group/Feline-Stomatitis/) where a number 
> of people have reported positive results from its use.  I am attaching 
> a fact sheet about the cocktail, which was created by one the members 
> of that Yahoo Group.
>
> Dr. Wiggs passed away last year and my understanding is that while his 
> estate is sorted out, the cocktail's availability will be somewhat 
> limited as the rights to the proprietary mix haven't been completely 
> settled.  I think that it was his wish to see the cocktail made more 
> readily available to help cats suffering from stomatitis and so 
> presumably it will eventually be easier to obtain and perhaps might 
> even be produced locally rather than centrally in Dallas.  Time will 
> tell on that one.
>
> I was informed that the formulation for FIV+ cats is slightly 
> different than for FIV-negative cats.
>
> Pasha, an 8-year old lifelong FIV+ cat with caudal stomatitis and 
> tongue ulcers so horrendously bad that his vet looks at me knowingly 
> while fingering the bottle of euthasol every time I bring him in, has 
> been on it for about six weeks.  I've been taking pictures of his 
> mouth to monitor the progress.  I can't really say it's had any 
> positive impact, unfortunately.  Initially, it seemed like it was 
> helping - after about 2 weeks the inflammation had been reduced and 
> his tongue looked better.  But at 3 weeks both came back with a 
> vengeance and he looks awful.  His appetite has been a little better 
> nonetheless, but he's not gained any weight.  His most recent labs 
> also weren't all that encouraging. I'm going to keep at it since I've 
> exhausted pretty much all of the other treatment options.  This 
> doesn't mean it doesn't work; it just means that it doesn't work on 
> 100% of cats.  Other people with FIV+ cats on the Stomatitis group 
> have made favorable reports.
>
> The cocktail costs around $45/month, and the clinic does require that 
> bloodwork be periodically reported so there are other ongoing costs 
> you could expect to incur as well.
>
> When I get around to it, I'll upload some pictures to show what I'm 
> talking about.
>
> - Ben
>
> From: joel kehler <joelkehler at yahoo.com>
> To: fiv-healthscience at yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Wednesday, September 7, 2011 9:03 AM
> Subject: Re: [fiv-healthscience] Two updates: Daphne and Scrappy
> I would be interested to know of what the "stomatitis cocktail" 
> consists, if /when you know.
>
> Attachment(s) from Ben Lehrer
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> 1 of 1 File(s)
> Information on the Stomatitis Cocktail.pdf
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> On 9/7/2011 11:02 AM, Marcia wrote:
>> Now Fletch has thick gooey looking saliva. He can't eat because his 
>> mouth now hurts. His fever is gone though. WhT to do. Calling vet 
>> today. Is there any treatment for this mouth issue?
>> Thanks
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>> On Sep 6, 2011, at 12:29 PM, Maureen Olvey <molveywda at hotmail.com 
>> <mailto:molveywda at hotmail.com>> wrote:
>>
>>> You can give baby aspirin like every other day or 72 hours or 
>>> something like that for just a few days though.
>>>
>>> /"I am not interested to know whether vivisection produces results 
>>> that are profitable to the human race or doesn't....the pain which 
>>> it inflicts upon unconsenting animals is the basis of my enmity 
>>> toward it, and it is to me sufficient justification of the enmity 
>>> without looking further." -- Mark Twain/
>>>
>>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>>> Date: Tue, 6 Sep 2011 10:44:05 -0400
>>> From: atia2 at optonline.net <mailto:atia2 at optonline.net>
>>> To: felvtalk at felineleukemia.org <mailto:felvtalk at felineleukemia.org>
>>> Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Fletch
>>>
>>> Same here!
>>>
>>> *From:*felvtalk-bounces at felineleukemia.org 
>>> <mailto:felvtalk-bounces at felineleukemia.org> 
>>> [mailto:felvtalk-bounces at felineleukemia.org] *On Behalf Of *Edna Taylor
>>> *Sent:* Tuesday, September 06, 2011 9:59 AM
>>> *To:* felvtalk at felineleukemia.org <mailto:felvtalk at felineleukemia.org>
>>> *Subject:* Re: [Felvtalk] Fletch
>>>
>>> It has always been my understanding that you should never give 
>>> asprin to cats:
>>>
>>>
>>>     *Aspirin Side Effects*
>>>
>>> Aspirin is not a medication that is typically administered to cats. 
>>> If administered, it may cause a few side effects such as:
>>>
>>>   * Stomach acidity, which can lead to stomach ulcers
>>>   * Upset stomach
>>>     <http://www.vetinfo.com/best-cat-upset-stomach-remedy.html>
>>>   * Vomiting
>>>   * Diarrhea
>>>   * Blood coagulation delays
>>>   * Lack of appetite
>>>     <http://www.vetinfo.com/causes-cat-appetite-loss.html>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Read more: Can You Give a Cat Aspirin? - VetInfo 
>>> <http://www.vetinfo.com/can-you-give-a-cat-aspirin.html#ixzz1XBGiC9jc>
>>>
>>> > From: marciabmarcia at gmail.com <mailto:marciabmarcia at gmail.com>
>>> > To: felvtalk at felineleukemia.org <mailto:felvtalk at felineleukemia.org>
>>> > Date: Mon, 5 Sep 2011 21:40:49 -0500
>>> > Subject: [Felvtalk] Fletch
>>> >
>>> > Update and more questions. Yesterday Fletch ate very well and ate 
>>> quite a few treats too. He got up and walked around the kitchen for 
>>> quite awhile. I was so hopeful that maybe he was over the hump. 
>>> Wrong. This morning he refused to eat or drink and hasn't done so 
>>> all day. I hav given him some electrolytes 3 times today. He didn't 
>>> like that a bit. He had very watery poop with hard chunks in it. 
>>> That happened twice. Once on the couch, which I have plastic on 
>>> under his blankets, and then another time I ran him to the 
>>> litterbox. His fever is back..I'm sure the aspirin wore off and he 
>>> doesn't feel good at all. Is this how this disease is all the time? 
>>> Is this what his life is gonna be like from now on? Because if it 
>>> is, I can't see making him go through this. I don't think he enjoys 
>>> any part of this. Maybe he ate too much yesterday, I don't know. Do 
>>> they go thru this and then get better. Any insight will be 
>>> appreciated. Where does the fever come from?
>>> > Thanks guys, I sure do appreciate each and every one of you.
>>> >
>>> > Marcia
>>> >
>>> > Sent from my iPad
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