[Felvtalk] low phospherous foods-giving fluids
Wendy Griebel
wikkiegirl at bellsouth.net
Sun Jul 20 13:29:13 CDT 2008
You can also give fluids subcutaneously . Basically you would use a
syringe and go just under the skin and inject sterile water. You can get
the water at any grocery store. I have used this method before. You can
do it about every hour to two hours. I did this with not only one of my
kittens and two adult cats, but also with a 1 1/2 week old puppy. It can
be tiring. Also there is a formula that I use to help them along.
One can of evaporated goats milk
One cup of PLAIN yogart ( do not use lowfat or flavored)
One egg yolk
Two teaspoons of karo syrup
Mix all together and and try putting it in a bowl for him. If he will
not drink on his own then use a dropper or syringe to slowly give him
some. My kitties seem to LOVE this formula, It is high in calories and
will keep glucose levels up.
Wendy
catatonya wrote:
> I didn't find how to give fluids on this list, but I'll keep looking
> for new ideas. One site said hang the bag from the ceiling with a
> hook. that worked well, but I couldn't tell how much I was giving.
> lol. I just gave them as long as he would let me and it looked like
> he had a nice 'bump'.
> t
>
> */MaryChristine <twelvehousecats at gmail.com>/* wrote:
>
> i THINK it was on this list that i first saw the reference, and
> i'm pretty sure it's on one of the big crf sites--hopefully
> someone here can help. there's a page that shows how to "clip" a
> cat in the same way that momcat's scruff them, to immobilize them,
> and make it possible to hydrate them by yourself.
>
> earlier this year, winn feline foundation
> (www.winnfelinehealth.org <http://www.winnfelinehealth.org/>)
> actually did research on this technique, using a variety of
> commonly found household clips, so that you do NOT have to go out
> and buy the cat-specific one.... i can't find ANYTHING these days,
> so hopefully someone else saves these things in a more logical
> way.....
>
>
>
> On Sat, Jul 19, 2008 at 1:27 PM, catatonya <catatonya at yahoo.com
> <mailto:catatonya at yahoo.com>> wrote:
>
> His creat is 2.5.
>
> He will come to me and let me stick him, but then he struggles
> to get away. Maybe I should try putting him in a carrier?
>
> Most of the pages I saw had 2 people to help, and I don't have
> anyone here but me.
> t
>
> */Sharyl <clinebay at yahoo.com <mailto:clinebay at yahoo.com>>/* wrote:
>
> Tonya, you just do what you can do. For a CRF kitty with
> a Crea value in the high 3's daily fluids are generally
> needed to maintain adequate hydration. Add water to the
> canned food to increase his water intake. Set out lots of
> bowls of water in various places to encourage him to
> drink. Mine love to drink from a bowl in the bath tub.
>
> For me fluids take less than 5 minutes from start to
> finish but I do not warm the fluids. Never did and mine
> are fine with that. But each kitty is different as to
> what they will tolerate. Could you manage EOD (every
> other day).
>
> In the end we do what we can and hope for the best.
> Luckily I'm retired. Between my CRF Pequita, Sissy and
> Rocket with FeLV+ quarantined in my bedroom and Daisy's 4
> FeLV+ babies quarantined out in the garage my 2 healthy
> kitties don't get much attention right now. And I have a
> dumpster colony I feed daily and am trying to set up a TNR
> program for.
>
> Obviously your Mom and Grandmother take priority. I'll
> say a prayer for both of them
> Sharyl
>
> --- On *Sat, 7/19/08, catatonya /<catatonya at yahoo.com
> <mailto:catatonya at yahoo.com>>/* wrote:
>
> From: catatonya <catatonya at yahoo.com
> <mailto:catatonya at yahoo.com>>
> Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] low phospherous foods
> To: felvtalk at felineleukemia.org
> <mailto:felvtalk at felineleukemia.org>
> Date: Saturday, July 19, 2008, 11:20 AM
>
> Thank you so much Sharyl,
>
> I ordered some of the phosphorous binder. I hope it
> helps. Both you and Belinda said you didn't think I
> should be giving fluids only once a week. how many
> times a week do you think I should give them. Daily
> is just not doable. I have 3 very sick cats, plus a
> sick grandmother and very sick mother to take care of
> right now.......... I know I'm making excuses, but I
> can only do what I can do..........
> t
>
> */Sharyl <clinebay at yahoo.com
> <mailto:clinebay at yahoo.com>>/* wrote:
>
> Tonya, I always say the best food for a CRF kitty
> is the lowest phos canned food they will eat.
> Generally the target is less than 1% (dry
> matter). Here is a link to a list of foods and
> the dry matter phos levels.
> http://webpages.charter.net/katkarma/canfood.htm
>
> You vet should have several prescription renal
> foods. Mine refused to eat any of them. What is
> your kitty's phos level? If it is over 6.0 you
> can add Dried Aluminum Hydroxide Gel to the canned
> or dry food. It is a very effective phos binder
> but it has to be in all the food you cat eats. By
> adding the binder to the food you reduce the
> amount of phos the cat absorbs from the food.
> Binders do not do anything about the phos
> currently in your cats system. Just gives you
> cats kidneys a break while they process what is
> already there. Here is a link to more info on
> binders.
> *About Phosphorus Binders*
> <http://f1.grp.yahoofs.com/v1/YPOBSKUAe1vSPaTzsC-nOdsOnf1_BdpafMc7lF7n0MekqT8MJ1znNQJYUtw2iWwm5igm5xzkJUzGvwA7SJkR6g/Tiny%20URLs%20that%20work%21/About%20Phosphorus%20Binders>*
> *
> http://tinyurl.com/37nye
> Dr. Nagode's dose recommendations are toward the
> bottom. Unfortunately most vets do not
> understand the impact high phos has on a CRF
> kitty. Most will try to sell you Epakitin which
> is pretty worthless for high phos nos. You can
> buy the aluminum hydroxide on line. No Rx
> required.
>
> Tanya's web site is the most comprehensive I have
> found for CRF.
> www.felineCRF.org <http://www.felinecrf.org/>
>
> The largest Yahoo CRF group is here.
> http://pets.groups.yahoo.com/group/Feline-CRF-Support/
>
> Eating is often an issue for a CRF kitty. Just
> like FeLV+ kitties it is critical for CRF kitties
> to eat enough to maintain their ideal body wt.
> There is a Yahoo Assist Feeding group as well.
> http://pets.groups.yahoo.com/group/Feline-Assisted-Feeding/
>
> Let me know if you need any other info.
> Unfortunately my life had revolved around CRF
> kitties for the last 2 1/2 yrs.
> Sharyl
>
> --- On *Sat, 7/19/08, catatonya
> /<catatonya at yahoo.com
> <mailto:catatonya at yahoo.com>>/* wrote:
>
> From: catatonya <catatonya at yahoo.com
> <mailto:catatonya at yahoo.com>>
> Subject: [Felvtalk] low phospherous foods
> To: "felvtalk at felineleukemia.org
> <mailto:felvtalk at felineleukemia.org>"
> <felvtalk at felineleukemia.org
> <mailto:felvtalk at felineleukemia.org>>
> Date: Saturday, July 19, 2008, 10:11 AM
>
> can anyone tell me what numbers are considered
> to be 'low' for a crf cat. or better yet give
> me brand names??
> thanks in advance. tonya
>
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