[Felvtalk] low phospherous foods

Sat Jul 19 12:27:55 CDT 2008

His creat is 2.5.

  He will come to me and let me stick him, but then he struggles to get away. Maybe I should try putting him in a carrier?

  Most of the pages I saw had 2 people to help, and I don't have anyone here but me.
  t

Sharyl <clinebay at yahoo.com> wrote:
            Tonya, you just do what you can do.  For a CRF kitty with a Crea value in the high 3's daily fluids are generally needed to maintain adequate hydration.  Add water to the canned food to increase his water intake.  Set out lots of bowls of water in various places to encourage him to drink.  Mine love to drink from a bowl in the bath tub.

  For me fluids take less than 5 minutes from start to finish but I do not warm the fluids.  Never did and mine are fine with that.  But each kitty is different as to what they will tolerate.  Could you manage EOD (every other day).  

  In the end we do what we can and hope for the best.  Luckily I'm retired.  Between my CRF Pequita, Sissy and Rocket with FeLV+ quarantined in my bedroom and Daisy's 4 FeLV+ babies quarantined out in the garage my 2 healthy kitties don't get much attention right now.   And I have a dumpster colony I feed daily and am trying to set up a TNR program for.  

  Obviously your Mom and Grandmother take priority.  I'll say a prayer for both of them
  Sharyl

--- On Sat, 7/19/08, catatonya <catatonya at yahoo.com> wrote:

  From: catatonya <catatonya at yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] low phospherous foods
To: felvtalk at felineleukemia.org
Date: Saturday, July 19, 2008, 11:20 AM

    Thank you so much Sharyl,

  I ordered some of the phosphorous binder. I hope it helps.  Both you and Belinda said you didn't think I should be giving fluids only once a week. how many times a week do you think I should give them.  Daily is just not doable.  I have 3 very sick cats, plus a sick grandmother and very sick mother to take care of right now..........  I know I'm making excuses, but I can only do what I can do..........
  t

Sharyl <clinebay at yahoo.com> wrote:
            Tonya, I always say the best food for a CRF kitty is the lowest phos canned food they will eat.  Generally the target is less than 1% (dry matter).  Here is a link to a list of foods and the dry matter phos levels.
  http://webpages.charter.net/katkarma/canfood.htm

  You vet should have several prescription renal foods.  Mine refused to eat any of them.  What is your kitty's phos level?  If it is over 6.0 you can add Dried Aluminum Hydroxide Gel to the canned or dry food.  It is a very effective phos binder but it has to be in all the food you cat eats.  By adding the binder to the food you reduce the amount of phos the cat absorbs from the food.  Binders do not do anything about the phos currently in your cats system.  Just gives you cats kidneys a break while they process what is already there.  Here is a link to more info on binders.
  About Phosphorus Binders 
http://tinyurl.com/37nye 
  Dr. Nagode's dose recommendations are toward the bottom.   Unfortunately most vets do not understand the impact high phos has on a CRF kitty.   Most will try to sell you Epakitin which is pretty worthless for high phos nos.  You can buy the aluminum hydroxide on line.   No Rx required.    

  Tanya's web site is the most comprehensive I have found for CRF.
  www.felineCRF.org

  The largest Yahoo CRF group is here.
  http://pets.groups.yahoo.com/group/Feline-CRF-Support/

  Eating is often an issue for a CRF kitty.  Just like FeLV+ kitties it is critical for CRF kitties to eat enough to maintain their ideal body wt.  There is a Yahoo Assist Feeding group as well.
  http://pets.groups.yahoo.com/group/Feline-Assisted-Feeding/

  Let me know if you need any other info.  Unfortunately my life had revolved around CRF kitties for the last  2 1/2 yrs. 
  Sharyl

--- On Sat, 7/19/08, catatonya <catatonya at yahoo.com> wrote:

  From: catatonya <catatonya at yahoo.com>
Subject: [Felvtalk] low phospherous foods
To: "felvtalk at felineleukemia.org" <felvtalk at felineleukemia.org>
Date: Saturday, July 19, 2008, 10:11 AM

    can anyone tell me what numbers are considered to be 'low' for a crf cat. or better yet give me brand names??
  thanks in advance. tonya

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